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One problem with making fantasy-themed pictures using Poser is that GURPS has ruined me on the whole "cheesecake armor" that so many of the 3d modelers design. They'll design "armor" that isn't much more than a mail or plate-armor bikini (or other materials with swim-suit level of coverage). I'm sorry but when your "armor" has a cleavage hole and an exposed belly the person it's covering is dead. The worst part is it's virtually impossible to find something that is aesthetically pleasing and offers reasonable coverage. (Though armor isn't supposed to be aesthetically pleasing...)

Oh, and I'm also looking at YOU Blizzard, with similar cheesecake armor. Somehow the male armor covers head to toe without an inch exposed, but the female "armor" looks like something from a burlesque show. On the other hand Turbine games (Dungeons and Dragons Online and Lord of the Rings Online) does it perfectly with armor for both genders that looks like armor.

As for Skyrim... Let's not go there... Both genders would be losing limbs and spilling bowels in a fight. Oblivion's armor was MUCH better in that regard.
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=StudioSomnium Jun 11, 2012  Professional Photographer
I agree about the armor to a certain extent but there are a lot of reasons to do it the way its traditionally done (low coverage for female characters).

Think about what everyone is saying here: its ok for characters to have magic powers, interact with supernatural beings, wade through thousands of "bad guys" without dying, lose 99% of their "life force (think health bar)" in a battle and still walk to the next inn and sleep it off, etc, etc, etc, but yet we're complaining about how unrealistic the girls look?

My point is, the stuff is all fantasy anyway. Why not go all the way and complete the fantasy by throwing in the scantly clad hot girl?

In some ways its like complaining that Skyrim should have used dinosaurs instead of dragons in the game because everyone knows dragons aren't real and it just ruins the game when they stray so far outside plausible facts. We don't want games that are 100% realistic, that makes them real life and we all play to avoid that in the first place.
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=C-Elliot-Ritter Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Which I agree with, except that a vast majority of armor available for Victoria 4 is the bikini-mail type. What little isn't is few, far between and hard to find.

I'm also trying to build characters from a fairly realistic (read "deadly") tabletop RPG where the assumption is that armor only protects what it covers and where healing even a minor wound (without magical or super-science assistance) can take days or weeks.
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*Chronophontes Jun 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've always thought those useless "suits of armor" were pretty silly. I've parodied them occasionally, usually with a gripe by one of the participants about the shortage of bathtubs in the barbarian world.
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=C-Elliot-Ritter Jun 1, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I once asked on the SJ Games Forum about how to simulate these kinds of armor in their Dungeon Fantasy line. A few of the ideas involved their "Bulletproof Nudity" rule (you get a bonus to active defense rolls for wearing less clothes), leaving those areas open to be hit (splooch) and ignoring it and calling it genre convention. That's where the author of their Low Tech book mentioned things like "breast" plate being useless and how even large-busted women could still use male-style armor.

For what it's worth the "breast" plate not only might allow an attack to hit the heart due to simply channeling it there, the deformation requite would make the metal weaker and it would focus the energy onto the heart itself which would be compressed and could damage it. Queen Elizabeth I and Joan of Arc both wore armor (though neither specimen survives) but artistic depictions of Joan of Arc show her in a male-style harness.
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*Chronophontes Jun 2, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I LOVED Joan of Arc in Civilization III (though Civ II is still my favorite) - especially in her modern version, with shaved head and olive-drab T "Armee" T-shirt.
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!Chris-919 May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is an interesting point. Certainly many of the armours are made more for aesthetic reasons than actual usefulness. Amazingly they all have the pointy breasts chestplate. The Madonna school of ice cream cone armour design. ;) If you look at the very few women in history who actually wore armour,well they wore mens armour.
A little more choice would be nice and more interesting designs would be great so I completely agree with you. :)
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=C-Elliot-Ritter May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a friend on another forum that has done extensive research on ancient and medieval armor and has not only found that women who wore armor simply wore male armor, but it would take a massively busty woman to even need "breast"-plate. We're talking like the kind of woman who would have trouble with everyday tasks due to her bust getting in the way. Most women, even those who I'd consider "massive," would probably fit perfectly well under most plate armor designs.
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!Chris-919 May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:lol: Thats kind of funny. Actually I remember someone commenting on a Skyrim forum about how if the breasts were really that close to the armour a spear, sword or lance would end that ladies adventure pretty quickly since the steel would be so thin in those areas.
Why can't someone make a nice heavy duty spikey Warhammer Chaos Knight armour for ladies,seems a shame with everyone doing the equivalent of chain bikini or light half plate.
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=C-Elliot-Ritter May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
More specifically for the "breast" plate quite a few attacks on the center of mass would deflect an attack directly for the heart. Plus the steel is pretty thin anyway. It wasn't unusual to measure armor thickness in low single-digit millimeters.
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!Chris-919 May 31, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never knew they could make it that thin in medieval times. Interesting, you certainly know your stuff mate. :
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